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192kHz may not be as silly as you think: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10848570


Except that high frequencies attenuate fairly quickly in air.

Sound attenuates proportional to f^2 in air. So, a 10-fold increase in frequency causes a 100-fold increase in attenuation. So, a 100KHz signal has 10,000 times the attenuation for a 1KHz signal over the same range.

In addition, attenuation due to water vapor is particularly bad above about 40KHz. Much of that study cannot be replicated, and people have tried: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_effect

In addition, the effect went away when using headphones.

However, I can certainly believe that if you can pump enough energy to rattle things at ultrasonic frequencies you are going to get a result. Especially since ultrasonic frequencies rattle in water particularly effectively.

As an example, if I pump enough energy into an ultraviolet or infrared signal at your eye I will eventually get a detection result in your brain. However, pain and a burned retina are not what we think about when we consider a brain response.


Thanks for posting that! However, it's worth point out that that study has its detractors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_effect

I find the intermodulation argument a convincing one - it's hard to not have it affect the test, and if they haven't taken specific steps to avoid it then it would be easy to join a large amount of tests that have fallen prey to it.

I note, however, that Wikipedia doesn't mention any specifically brain-scan-based studies that counter it. If you know of any more I'd be very interested in hearing about it.


What gets me about the intermodulation effect is that some people want to have it both ways. They are so stuck in the 'there is no difference' camp they fail to see the self contradiction in the argument.

On one hand, higher frequencies above 20KHz can't be heard at all, so there's no point having them! You can't hear them!

Then on the other hand, higher frequencies above 20kHz affect the audible region of the sound (intermodulation distortion), so you can hear them, so make sure they aren't there!

What if the presence of the higher frequencies in a spectrum that shares a harmonic relation to the audible region causes intermodulation distortion that is pleasing and musical to the ear. What if the complete absence of this high frequency information, or alternatively a non-harmonic higher frequency signal (say some kind of switching or power supply noise) causes the audible region to be perceived in a less pleasant manner?


Intermodulation in this case is distortion that wasn't in the source material. It's a product of the failings of the playback system to perfectly recreate high frequencies without distorting the lower ones, and will vary depending on which system it is played on.

Certainly some people find certain kinds of distortion pleasant, but the people arguing for 192kHz claim increased fidelity, not pleasing distortion - when it is just the opposite for any stereo that introduces these artefacts.




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