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Luxury just means new. Prices are high because supply is low.


Luxury definitely means 'on the higher side of the price range' and 'not affordable housing'.

Which is what you'd expect to happen in a free market.

Absent a reason, why would developers voluntarily choose to build an option that would make them less money?


If people can't afford $1m apartments then developers will build cheaper ones if they can make the numbers work.


Or, they build nothing and allocate capital to a different city where luxury apartments are still selling.


In which case another developer will build them. Assuming the numbers make sense.

Either way refusing to allow apartments to be built because you fear they will be "luxury" is dumb. It just means that the only people who get to live there are the really rich who can afford a full-sized house.


I believe OP was sarcastic in their comment about California nationalizing industries and making fees based on equity. In particular the "population boom thundering on" was quite obvious sarcasm, given that California has been in a steady decline.


Oh I should have detected that haha!


What if I already have a Marcus / Goldman Sachs account with 250k? Is this going to be a separate 250k for the purposes of FDIC?


EU is very different from China. Environment is not friendly towards software entrepreneurs.


Lack of housing supply is the root cause.


Florida and Texas each build more new housing than CA, NY, MA, and IL combined (each effectively run by a single party).

The answer is here, people just don't want it.


Reminds me of this video essay from the NYTimes about how liberal hypocrisy fuels inequality, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw

The sad reality is that a lot of the people who shout the loudest about the problems of wealth and systemic inequality with their words, do very little or even the opposite with their actions.

There's probably similar psychology at play as to why it's common advice to not tell people about your personal goals. The act of proclaiming what you want to do gives you that little kick of dopamine that saps your motivation for actually doing it, making it less likely that you'll actually follow through. Waiting until after your accomplishment to share your success is much more effective.

In the case of moral virtue signalling, it seems like the act of proclaiming your virtue is much more likely to give you a feeling of moral license that makes you feel ok about acting immorally to serve your self interest.

In short, be suspicious of people who virtue signal too much, and judge them by their actions and results, not by their words or intent.


This answer is thoroughly irrelevant to Seattle. Just throw up more low cost suburban divisions? Where? Nearly every square foot of land between the ocean and the mountains is already built on for a 100 mile stretch up and down the coast.

It seems like a complete waste of time to try to declare a political victory here.


They build outward, not upward. Huge difference. (NYC is 7x as dense as Dallas)

They already need a highway expansion in Austin because of it


I'd like to find statistics on this. I'm less familiar with Texas than Florida, and my firsthand experience with Florida has me curious. I drove from Georgia to South Florida recently and saw lots of new development, including high rises and other multi family dwelling all over central and south Florida. Even the single family neighborhoods I saw were on average denser than what I am used to in Georgia. Florida may not be developing at the same density as NYC, but it is not all single family homes either.


Texas is building six times as much housing as Arkansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma combined (all of the other states in their Census Bureau region). So what's the answer?


Not sure if this is sarcasm, but obviously this is not a valid comparison given the population size.

OTOH, Texas and Florida are both a fraction of a population compared to the sum of NY + CA + MA + IL.

By the way, even the states you listed (not nearly growing as fast as TX/FL) are still building more per capita than the NY / CA / MA / IL.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240622/new-residential-...


> OTOH, Texas and Florida are both a fraction of a population compared to the sum of NY + CA + MA + IL.

Texas and Florida are the 2nd and 3rd most populous states. That is misleading because you're comparing 3 out of the top 6 most populous states with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...


People want to move to Texas #1, the places the parent comment posted are much more dense where people actually want to live. Buffalo, NY doesn’t have the same issues as NYC and Springfield, IL isn’t Chicago.


What, that high property taxes encourage more building? That's probably true.


Is the answer large swaths of land that isn’t great for farming?


California has plenty of land. San Francisco is hardly a dense city. Seattle manages to build lots of housing, despite sharing many of the same challenges: costal city with limited land, earthquakes,etc. But development and housing policy is very different.

California, especially the bay Area, is notorious for being anti-development. The landed class will furiously fight any attempt to build dense housing, to keep property prices high. Rent control exacerbates this as most residents have no incentive to solve the housing shortage since they aren't affected by price increases.

Washington, by contrast, prohibits rent control statewide. It's no coincidence I'm seeing far more construction in Seattle and it's suburbs than I did SF.


I don’t know much about California.

I’m just balking at the audacity of comparing Massachusetts to Texas and implying their comparable on the basis of their politics more so than their geography.


Land isn't really a big driver of housing costs. The issue is housing where people want to live. Nobody is balking at the apartment rents out in the countryside, it's rents in desirable metros that people are talking about. The question is, how do you get more housing units in a fixed amount of land? The answer is higher density, and policy that allows the conversion of low density housing to high density housing.


While it is true that nobody is complaining about rural countryside rents, it’s kind of dumb to imply that land isn’t a critical issue. Dallas is like 5-6x bigger than Boston in terms of area, because it can spread out, because it has lots of land. Boston can’t really spread. It’s hilly and forester and has tougher weather. Texas is flat plains.


> Land isn't really a big driver of housing costs

That is completely and totally wrong.

The land cost is BY FAR the biggest driver of housing cost in the California coastal cities.

The proof of this is that buying a house, completely demolishing it, and building a completely new house is not uncommon in California.

That demonstrates that everything except the land has a negative value.


The point is that it's not a shortage of land. It's not that California as a whole isn't big enough to accommodate it's population. It's that specific desirable places to live are getting more expensive. You concede that this is true when you narrow your statement with "in the California coastal cities."

The problem is that people want to live in the desirable costal cities. The only way that's going to happen is if the city gets more dense. Cities that allow for easy construction are better able to convert low density housing in desirable areas to high density housing to accommodate the growing demand.


People demolishing poor condition or small houses and building high end homes on the land does not in any way demonstrate that buildings have negative value. You're taking an edge case and applying as a generalization. In many of those cases the homeowners are losing money on destroying the old house but prefer that location.


If labor defined the cost, buyers would renovate. If materials defined the cost, buyers would renovate.

The fact that buyers demolish shows that the cost of labor and materials is significantly less than the value of the land. "losing money on destroying the old house but prefer that location" === value of the land is higher than the cost of the rebuild.


That doesn't show that improvements to land have negative value. You're also assuming that landowners always make the most rational value decisions with their properties and that's frankly just not the case. People aren't tearing down high value homes to build new ones, you're only looking at low value ones and applying incorrectly as a generalization to both.

In most real estate transactions where the home is clearly a tear down, it's priced in.

It seems like might have never viewed a property tax bill.

Here's my neighbor's house built in 2022 appraised values:

land: $465,000 improvements: $620,000


I'm not comparing TX to MA, I'm comparing TX to MA + NY + CA + IL.


On the basis of political differences. But MA is radically different on other more important things. It’s just not a good comparison.

MA housing isn’t even particularly bad. I never paid more than $900 in rent.


> MA housing isn’t even particularly bad. I never paid more than $900 in rent.

When did you live in MA? You'd have to go over an hour west for that at this point.


Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, the burbs

With roommates but never sharing a bedroom

Recent


Boston is second most expensive city for rent. Recently overtook San Francisco.


This doesn’t match my experience although all reports seem to focus on one bedrooms. In my experience most housing, or at least most people, just get room mates and end up finding places much cheaper to live. I also wonder what areas don’t count as Boston despite being on local public transit to the city.


Have you seen CA, NY, and IL on the map? Lack of land is not a problem.


Binance is China-owned so there's no problems, all criminal allegations are false, company is in great shape, and customer's assets are safe. What about Coinbase?


Is this sarcasm?


Yes


Suggest adding a /s in the future to avoid confusion.


the goal is communication is not always clarity

the fun of sarcasm is knowing enough to recognize it

if somebody is too out of the loop to recognize it and picks an argument, it's collateral damage


That may be so, but in normal communications, such as speech it is tone of voice and possibly non-verbal hints that will indicate sarcasm. Online you don't have that and the 'collateral damage' can result in a lot of wasted bits from people reacting to the words rather than to the joke and this in turn can drown out the rest of the discussion.


Adding a /s to a post is the internet equivalent of saying "just joking haha" after saying a joke. It ruins half of the fun.



I understand why you might want to add a sarcasm indicator to texts including sarcasm. I'm not arguing against that point. I'm trying to show the other side of the coin: why some other people would not want to add those sarcasm indicators.


Sarcasm doesn't exist on the internet until you add a slash s.

Slash s.


You're posting pro-Binance, pro-China comments all over this thread

> company is in great shape, and customer's assets are safe

Do you have any proof of this? I assume that to know this for sure, you would have some insight into Binance internals?


The sarcasm is so thick that even a non-native like me picks it up.


The only thing thicker is me, apparently :P


It happens :) The first few years on HN I was super bad at this, but after a while it becomes a bit easier and the posters history is usually a good clue. That said I still get it wrong plenty of times, especially in writing.


GP missing a /s.


Whataboutists have arrived to protect China-owned Binance


Whataboutists have arrived to protect China-owned Binance


Even though I'm crypto agnostic, I'm diversified. I have some funds in Coinbase, but I don't really want to go to the trouble of maintaining a hardware wallet.

I'm way more likely to lose a wallet or mismanage it than not. As an anecdote, I had several million dogecoin from 2014 or so as a joke, which I think amounted to several hundred thousand dollars just a few years back. I couldn't find, figure out, or be bothered with moving it to an exchange before that blew over.

As for Binance, I had funds in it too before they closed their core operations in the US, and getting it back out was an extreme hassle.

As far as the substance of your comment, you'll find that my comment history is pro-Democracy, pro-Capitalism, so I'm not sure what you're on about.


You could split between Gemini and Coinbase if you are dead-set against a hw wallet.


Or simply use a software wallet. Write down the seed phrases, then delete the software wallet. Recover it from seed phrases at your leisure.


Holy cow, you had hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets and couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to cash out before they lost value? You are on a different planet of financial management than most of us.


There was so much going on during the pandemic. My early employee stock and the rest of my portfolio was booming, and I'd just made my yearly TC on GME. The dogecoin gains were smaller and kind of an afterthought.

To top it off, the hard drive with the dogecoin was back at my mom's place or in storage, and it would have taken a lot of time to go back and find it.

Since it was easy to leave the computer where it was, I lazily made the incorrect decision to go long on DOGE as a gamble and as a further means of diversification. I incorrectly thought maybe it would sink then come back even higher. I didn't have to do anything to make that choice. It was very much a wrong move and missed opportunity, but everything was making me money back then, and I was making all sorts of other bets, so this one didn't seem too unreasonable.

I should have known it was a larger macro bubble, but this was my first rodeo. I didn't experience 2008 or 2000 with my own assets, and the COVID dip was my only taste of losses. My biggest regret in all of this was not selling all of my employee stock options last summer when it was near peak. I got stuck between two trading windows and thought that the losses would end of reverse.

I'm still in a good spot, but I could have "FAT FIRE"-d, fully retired (into working on my own thing), and bought half a dozen homes - a beach house, mountain getaway, Manhattan townhome... I thought about that a lot.

I did manage to purchase a historic penthouse in Atlanta with city views though, so I'm happy with that. And I've quit working to focus 100% on my own startup.

If anything, these experiences are good lessons and just give me more drive.


I think your degree of resilience in dealing with such setbacks is something to strive for, at the same time please be more careful in the future, the price of such setbacks tends to go up as you get older and even though you managed to get through this one in relatively good shape (if not financially, then at least mentally) the next time around you may not be so lucky.


What's this trend of telling others to please do something? I've seen it all over HN this year and it's so condescending.


It can be condescending but that’s not the only option. There’s been a lot of upset recently and older posters who remember 2000 and 2008 are trying to spare people the pain a lot of us either experienced personally or saw friends encounter. Based on his years of posting, I’m sure Jacques is in the latter category.


A friend of mine was in a similar position. I’m he knew he had a wallet holding about $300k of dodge coin. He just didn’t know if he had the key.

Long story short: he spend a big amount of time trying to recover the wallet key and failed. I’d understand someone not wanting to try something like that. It must be pretty demoralizing.


I have dogecoin wallets worth thousands from 2014 and such when we were joke mining before it had value - it isn’t that hard to fathom if you’ve operated in this space for a decade.


Whataboutists have arrived.


With their inconvenient, completely factual statements.


Thanks parent.

Whataboutism would be saying it’s ok to abuse users on behalf of totalitarians not equally criticizing anyone who does so.

(At least with Twitter they had to bribe a Saudi lol)


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