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Maybe you should be, but if they are in bad shape, the 100% figure will apply to many diseases. On a long enough time line, they will of course die, just like you and everyone else.


Just like the planets and the stars and the universe itself. How is this relevant in any way to the discussion at hand?


The possible long term side effects of the vaccine are unknown.


> The first conclusion has to be that I found no evidence of fraud in any of these elections.

Given that people have been convicted of fraud and invalid votes are found, we have learned that either (1) this technique does not find evidence of fraud even when it happens or (2) the fraud that happens is marginal.

(2) seems likely, but given the small margins in some swing states, even a relatively small numbers of fraudulent votes could determine the election.


What constitutes a small margin? Even in Georgia the margin is just over 10,000 votes. Fraudulently casting that many votes undetected would be a non-trivial task.


> What constitutes a small margin?

I'm sure that within the context of the discussion and the number of votes cast, you can come up with a meaningful number.

> Fraudulently casting that many votes undetected would be a non-trivial task.

Non-trivial is a low barrier.


> Non-trivial is a low barrier.

Okay, I will clarify. Fraudulently casting 10K votes undetected is impossible.

And hey, the only actual evidence we have is from a couple republicans who tried to bring fake ballots to a precinct in Philadelphia. Maybe the real fraud we should be investigating is how one candidate beat his predicted performance by several points two elections in a row. What are the odds of that?


> Pretty much everybody loses their life somehow.

Everyone. Everyone dies. That includes you and me. The question is not if but how and what you do with the time you have.


So far only about 92% of people have died.


"BBC's specialist disinformation reporter"

Well that sounds ominous.


Well.... this works because Amsterdam is a small city.


No, it works because Amsterdam has infrastructure in place to make it work. My "home" town is Bath in England - population of ~90000, and vastly smaller than Amsterdam. However, the transit infrastructure there is terrible. It's also worth noting that Amsterdam has not always been how it is today: in the 70s and 80s it was filled with cars.


Try cycling across LA...


Right, because LA is built for cars not people.


It was actually built for streetcars.


Yeah, LA has a lot of work to do to catch up.


What about it? I do it all the time. Faster than taking surface streets in a car during rush hour for sure.


The main difference isn’t the size, it’s the layout.

I’m in Berlin (metro area population 6.1 million compared to LA’s 13.1 million) and I don’t need a car or a bike because I have at least 22 food supermarkets (including 3 in a shopping mall), 2 household electronics stores, a building supplies store, a hacker shop, and countless bakeries and spätis [0] within 1.0 miles.

Judging by Google Maps search results, I’d say Amsterdam is similar.

I’ve explored a few American cities on foot, and if those places were representative of the rest, I can understand why Americans would regard cars as mandatory; but the model of large stores, few and far between, is not the only one.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spätkauf


By Berlin standards I'm in the middle of nowhere yet there are at least 3 stores in walking range and this is actually a very car dependent city. They just put stores near residential buildings. That's all there is to it.


> you can't drive these on bike paths

But everyone does.


Unfortunately there is zero enforcement. Either there would have to be a massive amount of police controlling how people drive, or they have to be banned.


I don't think I've ever seen the 45km/h version on bicycle paths though. The 25km/h versions have similar problems as described, so I'm guessing they were what was referred to, but they definitely don't go that fast.


Depends where you live I suppose. Some areas are perfectly fine. Mine unfortunately has a lot of social issues.


I have never seen a speed pedlec on a bike lane inside the city. I can't even remember the last time I saw one in the city generally speaking, as they don't seem to be extremely popular.

There used to be a way bigger problem with enforcing of scooters in the bike paths, though that is now way less of an issue, as far as I can tell. The only scooters legally allowed on bike lanes are the ones limited to 25kmph. I still find them dangerous, but considerably less so than how it was a few years back.


They should be banned.

The vast majority of them drive completely irresponsibly. They go at least twice as fast as the bikes on the bike lanes so they're constantly going in the middle of the lane into oncoming traffic. I've lost track of how many times I've had to swerve on my bike because someone comes right towards me.

The Netherlands does not actually have bike lanes. It has shared moped/scooter/bike lanes.


Do you believe in just banning things because people use them irresponsibly?

I think that is much more damaging than one person getting 4 kids dead, as much as this is already a tragedy.

Going with this reasoning people should be banned from using cars at all, because, frankly, I see a huge number of people driving completely irresponsibly and not thinking a whole lot about it until an accident happens.

Do we really want to live in a world where it is not possible to behave irresponsibly because all options were taken off the table?


>Do we really want to live in a world where it is not possible to behave irresponsibly because all options were taken off the table?

I lived in Singapore for a few years and that pretty much is that world and I was very happy. Don't really see the problem with banning things that people cannot stop to use irresponsibly and that cause loss of life, including cars. (well technically they're not banned, a license is just hard to get, 10% or so own a car).

Build good public transport, walkable cities, done. I mean have you actually considered how mental it is that we let people roam around in two tons of metal at high velocity next to pedestrians just to buy a bag of groceries. If people look back at this in 500 years we'll look like crazy cavemen


You should live by your own principles. Get rid of all knives in your kitchen. Because one was just used in France to behead a person.

Does this ultimatum still make sense?


The knifes in my kitchen only I have access to and I know I'm not going to behead anyone. However I live by my principles and I have no problems with banning knives in public, or vendors securing them. (which is relatively common around the world btw, see Japan, UK, much of Europe etc..)


I worked for Samsung. Some guys in Korea got into heated discussion and carved each other with kitchen knives available in the office. Guess what, no kitchen knives other than plastic.

Here in Poland people just started bringing their own EDC knives.


Are you for or against gun ownership?


> Do you believe in just banning things because people use them irresponsibly?

No, I believe in banning things when the vast majority use them irresponsibly.

That demonstrates that it's just not something we're capable of handling.


Or that we need a licence to drive them. Personally I think there should be the equivalent to a driver's licence for both ebikes and scooters.

But it would kill the industry if it was enforced now, so I hope we will get it later once people actually got the taste for it and want to continue using them even if they need to get a licence.


License has much more sense than outright ban.

I don't care for the "industry". They must adapt. Driving car requires license but the industry is still there.


But the licence came years after the car, that's exactly the point


Even in lanes explicitly stated as bikes-only, people don't give a shit. In Amsterdam it's particularly bad with the delivery drivers who're in a rush all the time.


In the US there used to be "ticket quotas" in some police departments. Near the end of a period, there could be cops everywhere checking for speeders if they were under quota.

The Dutch police could make a good revenue just from targeting food delivery guys. Excluding the newer e-bike delivery people, they are almost always speeding and driving like they just robbed a bank.


Indeed. Seems what's lacking is political will.


I would rather be run into by a guy who is riding a light electric step rather than a heavy middle aged man zooming along on a heavy electric bike.


Not sure you would know the difference. Hit at 20MPH differential speed is a lights-out moment.


Sure you would. It's a matter of masses. If I were a brick wall, you could hit me at 30 and you would probably take the worst of the exchange.

If we are both of equal size and mass, the damage will be approximately shared.


Of course if you were a brick wall, those two things are the same. Instantly accelerating to zero. If you were a moving brick wall, that's different.

But my comment is this: 20MPH is fast. The damage is grievous. Dead or nearly dead.


Its an issue. Bikes - 8mph. Scooters - 16mph. Cars - 30-40mph. None should be on the same path as the others. Yet we have just 2 paths.

Add in pedestrians - 2mph and now what? Its a hard problem.


There are three clearly distinct paths practically everywhere in the Netherlands: roads, bike paths and sidewalks.

That means the bikes, cars and pedestrians are already separated.

The mopeds/scooters (who go up to 45kmh / ~28 mph) are the only ones who don't fit in. That why they're constantly switching between roads, bike paths and sidewalks.


aren't moped expected to just drive on the main road, next to cars, and require a helmet and license plate?

Scooters are "more different".


Dutch law has two classes of 'moped'- both were originally conceived as motor-assisted pedal cycles, but in practice both are now mostly Vespa-type scooters with no option to pedal.

Both require insurance and an 'insurance plate' which is a different format from the standard licence plate seen on motorcycles. The rider must be licensed, but this can be either a car or a motorcycle licence (or a moped-specific licence which can be obtained from the age of 16, compared to 18 for cars and motorcycles).

The 'snorfiets' scooters have blue number plates, and are legally supposed to be limited to 25 km/h. The rider does not need to wear a helmet.

The 'bromfiets' scooters, with yellow number plates, are legally supposed to be limited to 45 km/h, but the rider must wear a helmet.

(In practice most scooters seem to routinely go much faster than they are supposed to be capable of)

In general, both types of scooter can use some, but not all, bike paths. A snorfiets is allowed on more bike paths than a bromfiets is- bromfietsen must ride on the main road in built-up areas.


All I can say is that the reality is that they come right at me on the bike path on the wrong side of the rode at 16+ mph. Every single time I go biking.

Whatever rules exists here exist on paper only.


I can understand. When vehicles of different cruising speeds share a roadway, the faster ones are perpetually passing. So always oncoming straight at you. It gets worse with increasing density - instead of passing occasionally, now you're passing pretty much all the time.

Its a hard problem to solve.


Ebikes and smaller scooters seem to have standarized at 16mph (25kph). That is perfectly compatible with bike lanes. A bike in a hurry can easily go over that.


Imperfectly compatible. Sure bikes can go that fast, but rarely do. The disparity in average speed results in frequent passing which is most of the problem. Head-on collisions and clipping become a thing. That's kind of the whole ball game, and why they don't get along on paths.


Almost no bikes actually go that fast, while the scooters practically always do, which is they they drive in the middle of the lanes or into oncoming traffic. Thus head on collisions etc.


It depends on your local bike culture I guess. In the US scooters go 15mph and bikes go like 12mph if you are in street clothes, ~20mph if you are in spandex.


Mixed traffic is a problem that every freakin heavy industrial site in the world has managed to solve.

We just can't solve it for cities because people have their heads up their asses and everyone wants their preferred class of traffic to get preferential treatment.


How was it solved? Consider that a designed environment is different from a built-up city with paths intended for horse-and-carriage.


By cautious rules and the ability to fire anybody who didn't follow them.


That works very well. Much better that distracted drivers and speeders.

But rules and people don't get along that well. Folks get tired and impatient. Even in the industrial environment there are expected failures per 100,000 hours etc.

Still, agreed we'd all do better with a more professional class of driver and licensing.


I am referring to the little foldable two wheel platform vehicles as scooters. I am not championing the motorcycle things.

Outside NL, the "step" is a scooter, and the "scooter" is a moped.

Mopeds should be banned from bike paths, or there should be heavy enforcement of speed limits on paths.

A little folding 2 wheel platform vehicle going 16kph is certainly no worse than a large Dutchman riding the same speed on a 35kg omafiets... not to mention the person on a 40kg electric bike who is doing 23kph.


> A little folding 2 wheel platform vehicle going 16kph is certainly no worse than a large Dutchman riding the same speed on a 35kg omafiets

A light bike doing 16 kph will knock you down but not seriously injure you unless you're unlucky.

Mopeds are doing more like 16 mph (25kmh) and easily weigh 70+ kg. That's a fast and heavy chunk of metal. If that hits you, you will be badly injured or killed. That changes the stakes of the bike paths from scraped knees to death or brain injury.


As I have tried to explain throughout my comments, I am referring to what the Dutch call a "step" - like what Bird has been putting in cities around the world. I am absolutely not talking about mopeds (small motorcycles).

I very much do not want motorycles or mopeds or even fast electric bikes (which can weigh nearly as much as the rider) on bike paths. A scooter/step weighs about 15kg, and more importantly, most of its weight is very close to the ground. It might knock your feet out from under you if it hit you, but it won't crush your ribs or head unless you're already lying on the ground.


That’s how I ride. Would you rather I was in a big truck?


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