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FYI, some land is well suited to grow food crops, other land isn't. The share varies by region, of course. There's a limit to how much meat we can eat if we are to use the land optimally. That limit isn't zero.


The limit surely isn't anywhere near having meat in every single meal, including bacon in milkshakes.


Well, most people on the planet don't eat meat in every single meal.

I've commented on this before, but I'm Greek and our traditional cuisine has many dishes that are naturally vegan, in the sense that no meat or animal products are used in them, but nobody actually calls them, or thinks of them as vegan, only as "normal food". There's a list here, compiled by a vegan very happy to have visited Greece:

https://www.thenomadicvegan.com/the-nomadic-vegans-guide-to-...

I believe this is a common situation in many parts of the world. I thik most people eat meat only according to their needs. Especially earlier in human history, before industrial farming, meat would have been an expensive luxury for most people, who would have complemented their diet with fish, dairy and eggs, being naturally lacto- ovo- pescaterian rather than vegan, and would have eaten meat (especially beef) on special occasions like feasts and weddings and so on.

So maybe veganism is a reaction to the particular eating habbits of specific parts of the world, where meat is eaten too frequently?


Different genotypes have different levels of dependence on animal protien. They found specifically in India a pathway that made plant protiens better used. So what too much meat is varies by person. I think 1.5lbs of beef a day is probably more than enough for anyone. I did that for a year and my blood work was fantastic but it was definitely excessive to my needs.


1.5 lbs of beef a day is _a lot_. Are you sure you're saying that right?


I was rounding 1.36lbs (raw) of grassfed ground beef (85 / 15)mixed with diced hatch chilis and 2 mashed sweet potatoes. That was just lunch. I lost 30lbs that year, my tryglycerides recovered from my soylent months as well.


A lot of South Indian food would pass for “vegan” as well.


It depends a lot on the particular climate and soil. In a lot of places, the best you can do with the land is grazing. The soil is good enough only for raising pasture, and as we don't diggest cellulose, cattle serve as some kind of reactor to transform unedible cellulose into food.

In other places, like mountainous ranges, it would be pretty hard to get some sustenance directly from the ground, but again, goats are useful factories that turn otherwise unedible brush into food.

Most of the problem occurs because government subsidies make economical to raise cattle in places that should have no business doing so because there is plenty of better-suited environment in the third-world to free-range cattle.

Feeding grains to cattle in a high-wage first world country under confinement is way more expensive than buying meat for third-world countries in Africa or Latin American, and it only happens because of the lobbying power of farmers and agro-corporations.


Quite right.

I've read a serious attempt at finding out what it might be. All I can say is: Some people eat too damned much meat, but whether they eat 13× or 7× too much is a difficult question.

(EDIT: Sorry about the obscenity. I think the "bacon in milkshakes" got to me.)




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