As an owner of the f150 lightning, I get a chuckle whenever SpaceX uses them to do something a cybertruck can't.

It was pretty funny driving past the SpaceX facility in Hawthorne and seeing the F150s doing all the real work while the CTs sat to the side for press shots.

also, the lighting is discontinued

cant drive it self

Blue Cruise on the F150-Lightning is pretty capable, and it also supports a comma.ai, which is better in a practical sense than FSD.

I have a friend with a CyberBeast and a friend with an F150-Lightning. The acceleration on the CyberBeast is absolutely magnificent and FSD is very capable. However as a truck, the frunk on the F150 is way more useful. The F150 is a better truck, but I'd say the Cybertruck is really good big weird car.

also is comma.ai legit - like would you put your kids in a car driven by it? do they publish safety stats like waymo and fsd

It’s wild to me that you trust the vague bullshit safety data that Tesla puts out enough to trust your kids lives to it.

From my perspective, the only self-driving system I trust my kids with is Waymo.

for your kids safety, would you rather do 30,000 miles in HW4 FSD in a Tesla or hand driven in any other car of your choosing? doing 30K miles in a waymo isn't an option.

Driving myself. Which I do, partly because I refuse to support Musk if I can avoid it, and partly because I think their engineering is deeply unethical and unserious.

You’re avoiding the point of the question. Do you think you hand driving in any other car is safer for your kids than having fsd drive? Yes or no.

If you’re answer is fsd is safer for your kids then fine, you choose to trade off some (maybe marginal safety) in order to not support a company you don’t like. I understand that. If your answer is that hand driving is safer, then I don’t know how to convince you otherwise because having used it and seeing the published data it’s so much obviously safer than me driving. And I’ve been driving for 30+ years

I thought I was clear that I don’t trust their engineering and I don’t think their approach to safety is at all serious, but I’ll try again.

I believe I am much safer than FSD.

The vague bullshit safety “data” they release is extremely unconvincing, particularly from a company known for lying.

Is that clearer?

Yup

good way to describe it - a really good big weird car

Blue Cruise is far more upfront about its abilities than whatever deadly beta garbage Tesla keeps tossing out there.

ok so? my point was no other car can drive itself door to door, blue cruise included.

Yes, it can

no it cant

Bluecruise exists it works, it's generally safe. If you try and kick this back and say it's not Full Self Driving or comparable to Tesla, then I'm going to start posting links to videos of Tesla FSD (All generations, including latest) doing thing like ignoring school buses signs and mowing down children, turning off with no warning at highway speeds, and otherwise dangerously not-working.

You can try and claim Tesla's self-driving features are great and work 100% of the time, I suspect most people here know that is FUD and there is ample evidence that Tesla "FSD" is certainly no better than competitors and is arguably worse.

have you tried FSD and blue cruise?