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Only solution: Wall around SF. You have to pass the coolness test to get in. Only artisan puppeteers and activist breadmakers allowed. None of these dorky tech folks driving up the rents.


Or how about another solution, compromise?

How about we open up a dialog and get people talking instead of just gravitating to one sort of ideology or another?

What if we open up the conversation to be more than just a binary opposition between the privileged nerds vs the privileged artists?

I'm afraid part of the issue is that engineers tend to gravitate towards binary opposition and reductionist thought.

The tech industry is very good at talking and terrible at actually listening.


I don't know many people who aren't frustrated about the cost of rent in the city, but that might be because I'm biased towards knowing people mostly under the age of 40.

I'm torn on the Ellis act evictions. I think something needs to be done about them, but on the other hand I think landlords should be able to sell their properties. Without some form of the Ellis Act, landlords will be forever landlords. Companies like Urban Green Properties are kind of shitty, but the big problem is that San Francisco has absolutely no plans for placement or re-placement of residents.

Strictly speaking, SF has a ~1% population growth. That's 8500 people a year. Theoretically, 2/3 of that is likely non-native, but still there should be theoretically a net 2k new San Franciscans/year if you account for the numbers native high school graduates and subtract the death rate.

And I don't think it's just a nerd vs artist thing, I think it's a bit more of a new adult resident vs established adult resident (which tends to skew to old vs. young). However, the nerd population tends to make more money and larger waves, which means they're the obvious punching bags.


If the nerd population wants to be a less obvious punching bag it needs to do a better job of integrating in to the community and taking part in discussions like this.

As for the Ellis Act, I agree that it is indeed a complicated issue, and one that in it's essence can actually start to question core concepts like "private property", especially in the context of an urban hub.

Private property is pretty cut and dry in a rural context. However in cities, complete with a vertical axis and many other types of proximity effects, the border between public and private tends to get very blurred.

I feel that people who choose to buy property in cities should be aware of these things. They should know that when they buy an apartment for rental purposes in a city like San Francisco that it is not like an ordinary financial investment, rather it also includes obligations to properly house and care for the people who reside in it.

The people who choose to live in cities have other needs and desires on top of an expression of personal liberty. Anyone who moves in to a city should not expect to be able to comfortably bring their existing, external ideals and lifestyles along with them.


Oh, I agree about the nerd non/anti-assimilation thing, trust me. I might be on HN, but I work in academia with a vast majority of friends who are musicians, artists, or also in academia. Most of which live in Oakland.

Of course, if you're an east coast Ivy who hits up mission cliffs on the way home from your startup in SoMa, well, you're going to have a hard time integrating with the Salvadoran family that's lived next store for 40 years. However, I'm not sure who is to blame for any of that. I think the worst part of it all is this weird form of entitlement where everybody has to live in the trendy parts, coupled with the money to afford it at whatever cost. Couple that with the city's desire to restrict any sort of new building at nearly any cost, well then I think you have a real problem. The only solution I see is to either adopt a policy of higher density, in-place structure and tenant replacement (letting tenants move back into a new higher-density building at a similar cost), do more development along Third Street, or to abandon SF and try building out West/Downtown Oakland or something instead.




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